ID | #1605957167 |
Added | Sat, 21/11/2020 |
Author | July N. |
Sources | MUFON
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Phenomena | |
Status | Research
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[The article source is specified as the correspondence with the witness, ((name deleted))]
I know it was a long time ago, and I don't know if it's interesting to be in the UK. I can't remember the exact time or date, as I was only 11 years old-23 years ago! However, I remember EVERY second of the actual event.
Reading is about 50 miles West of London and was on the Concorde flight path to Heathrow. Because it was so close to landing when it flew overhead, it was very low in the sky and very loud. Our Windows were shaking, and phone conversations were impossible for the 20-30 seconds that the Concorde flew overhead. It was a warm, bright blue sky that day, with small, thin, broken white clouds. Very clear, very bright.
I and about 5-8 other children watched the Concorde crossing, as we always do.
Someone shouted:
"What is it? Is it a helicopter?"
Someone else:
"It's NOT a helicopter!"
In fact, it was a classic silver disk. He was flying close to the Concord (it is impossible to judge the height, but this is the impression). It flew alongside the Concorde, perfectly matching it, for about 30 to 40 seconds.
Then it flew away ("flew" is a misnomer - it went off like a bullet!) At right angles to the previous flight direction. It flew away and soared until it disappeared into the clouds.
Since then, my brother and I have independently recalled the FOLLOWING two events (one, oddly enough, when we had dinner with Budd Hopkins at the UFO conference in Leeds!).
One was a triangle of white lights hovering over a car, and the other was a bright blue sphere hovering over a forest, visible from our (shared) bedroom window at 4: 01 a.m. Both of these events have since been forgotten, and we independently recalled certain details that were agreed upon. The view of the Concord has always been crystal clear in my memory.
A couple of years ago, I remembered the Concorde event. Soon after, I returned to reading to visit relatives. I came across a friend I hadn't seen in about 12 years, but I remembered that he was there at the Playground. Before we could talk about anything else, I said:
"This is going to sound weird - do you remember when you were at Westwood farm (school) looking at Concord and seeing something?"
He immediately said:
"Yes, the silver disk that took off."
I answered:
"Thank you, I had no idea!"
((SUBSEQUENT CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE GUEST))
Peter, thank you So much for coming back to me - I've sent this report to various places before, but I've never received a single response! Thanks. I will try my best to answer your questions:
1) "during your observation, from which side Did you watch Concorde, right or left?"- I was on the ground and looked directly at it as it passed overhead. If I were looking West, it would be flying West, and therefore it would be flying "behind" us, overhead, and ahead of us into the distance.
2) " Also, where was the disk relative to Concord, for example, "over" or "under" if you were looking at it face-on, in front of it or behind it? " - it is Difficult to judge the relative vertical distance from the ground by looking straight up. But everyone got the impression that he was flying nearby. If this were the case, I don't see how the passengers could have missed it!
3) "in Addition, could you provide a detailed description of how the disk was moving relative to the plane, that is, from which direction it was approaching; if it hovered near the plane, where was it located; where did the disk go relative to the plane's flight path? " - unfortunately, we didn't see it coming. When we all looked at the Concord, it was already there. Someone noticed this and said: "What is it? Is it a helicopter?" As soon as it was pointed out, it became quite obvious, as it was a shiny silver. It flew right next to the plane, perfectly matching its speed, and then very quickly flew away at right angles to the previous direction of flight. Perhaps it was also going up at that moment, as it disappeared into the clouds.
4) "Also, what was the relative size of the disk compared to, for example, the diameter of the aircraft fuselage?"- I attached an image (very bad-sorry!) that should show the relative dimensions. It was much smaller than the plane, but still large enough to be clearly visible.
I hear you ask people on the Jeff Rence show to describe them at arm's length? I've tried this and believe that at arm's length, the Concord would be about the same as my thumb. It used to be quite low! Image (sorry again!) shows the size relative to this. The dotted line is the exit angle. I hope this will help you get an idea of the event. I know how hard it is to imagine it without seeing it, because it's so clear to me!
The other witness I mentioned is not really a friend of mine, but just someone I went to school with. Except for that chance meeting a few years ago, we've never spoken since school. He would have been pretty taken aback when that was the first thing I asked him! However, I will try my best to find out where he is now and ask him to submit a report.
Original news
I know this was a long time ago, and I don’t know if it of interest being in the UK. I cannot remember the exact time or date, as I was only 11 at the time – 23 years ago! However, I can remember EVERY second of the actual event.
Reading is appx 50 miles west of London, and was on the flight path for Concorde coming into Heathrow. As it was so close to landing at the time it went overhead, it was very low in the sky, and extremely loud. Our windows would shake, and phone conversations were impossible for the 20-30 seconds that Concorde was passing overhead. This particular day was warm, bright blue skies, with a little wispy broken white cloud. Very clear, very bright.
Myself and appx 5-8 other children were watching Concorde go over, as we always did. Someone called out: “What’s that? Is that a helicopter?” Someone else: “Thats NOT a helicopter!” It was in fact a classic silver disc. It was flying alongside Concorde (elevations are impossible to judge, but that was the impression). It flew alongside Concorde, matching it perfectly, for about 30-40 seconds. It then flew off (flew is the wrong term – it shot off like a bullet!) at a right-angle to it’s previous direction of flight. It flew away and up until it vanished into the clouds.
My brother and I have since independently remembered TWO further events (one while we were at dinner with Budd Hopkins at the Leeds UFO conference funnily enough!). One was a triangle of white lights hovering over the car, and the other was a bright blue sphere hovering over some woods visible from our (shared) bedroom window at 4.01 am in the morning. Both of these events were since forgotten, and we independently remembered particular details which agreed. The concorde sighting has always been crystal clear in my memory. A couple of years ago I was remembering the Concorde event. Shortly afterwards I returned to Reading to visit relatives. I bumped into a friend who I hadn’t seen in about 12 years – but I remembered him being there in that playground. Before we could talk about anything else, I said “This’ll sound weird – do you remember back at Westwood Farm (the school) looking up at Concorde and seeing something?” He instantly said “Yeah – a silver disc that shot off” I replied “Thank you, I didn’t imagine it!”
((FOLLOW-UP CORRESPONDENCE WITH WITNESS))
Peter, Thanks very much for coming back to me – I have submitted this report to various places before, but never had a single response! Thanks. I will try my best with your questions:
1) “At the time of your sighting, which side of the Concorde were you viewing, the right, or left?”- I was on the ground looking straight up at it as it passed overhead. EG if I was facing West, it was flying west, and therefore would have been travelling from ‘behind’ us, overhead, and away in front of us into the distance.
2) “Also, where was the disc, relative to the Concorde, e.g. “above” or “below” the aircraft, as you faced it, or ahead or behind it?” – It’s hard to judge relative vertical distances from the ground looking straight up. But the impression that we all had was that it was flying right alongside. If that was the case, I don’t see how passengers could have missed it!
3) “In addition, can you provide a detailed description of how the disc moved, relative to the aircraft, i.e. from what direction did it approach; if it hovered close to the aircraft, where was it located; where did the disc go, relative to the flight path of the aircraft?” – We didn’t see it approach unfortunately. When we all looked up at the concorde it was already there. Someone spotted it and said “What’s that? Is that a helicopter?” Once it had been pointed out it was glaringly obvious, as it was shiny silver. It flew right alongside the plane, matching it’s speed perfectly, and then flew off very fast at a right angle to it’s previous flight direction. It may also have been going up at this point, as it disappeared into some clouds.
4) “Also, what was the relative size of the disc, compared, for example to the diameter of the fuselage of the aircraft?” – I have attached a (very poor – forgive me!) picture which should indicate the relative sizes. It was considerably smaller than the plane, but still large enough to be clearly seen.
I have heard you ask people on the Jeff Rense show to do the arms’ length description? I have tried this, and would estimate that at arm’s length Concorde would have been appx as long as my thumb at the height it was. It used to go over pretty low! The picture (sorry again!) shows the size relative to that. The dotted line is the departure angle it took. I hope this helps you to get a picture of the event. I know how hard it is to picture it without seeing it, as it’s so clear to me! The other witness I have mentioned isn’t really a friend, just someone I was at school with. Apart from that chance encounter a few years back we’ve never spoken since school. He was pretty taken aback when this was the first thing I asked him about! However, I will try my best to find out where he is now and ask him to submit a report. Best regards, ((name deleted))
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